{"id":133,"date":"2016-08-22T12:07:49","date_gmt":"2016-08-22T16:07:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jamiecoville.com\/blog\/?p=133"},"modified":"2016-08-22T12:44:03","modified_gmt":"2016-08-22T16:44:03","slug":"jerry-robinson-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/jamiecoville.com\/blog\/blog\/2016\/08\/22\/jerry-robinson-interview\/","title":{"rendered":"Jerry Robinson Interview"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.thecomicbooks.com\/pics\/_data\/i\/upload\/2015\/06\/03\/20150603200849-a031a288-la.jpg\" width=\"350\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jerry Robinson &#8211; 2008 San Diego Comic Con<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Almost all of my early interviews was done by e-mail. This interview was my first face to face with somebody. I really wanted to interview Jerry Robinson because he was a part of golden age comic book history. It\u00a0took place at Paradise Comics Toronto Comicon. April 29th, 2005 and was originally published on\u00a0June 2005.\u00a0I had met Jerry at the convention, asked him for an interview and he agreed but after his signing was done.<\/p>\n<p>I waited (about a half hour) and we went into a quiet room to do the interview. What I wanted to do in particular was ask about his history and find out first hand some things I had read about Siegel and Shuster that I wasn&#8217;t quite sure was true or not. I has also recently read Gerard Jones Men of Tomorrow and was really exciting about all of the new info it had revealed. Jerry was able to fill in some holes for me, making me very happy.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>Jerry Robinson created both The Joker and Robin the Boy Wonder. He spent\u00a020 years drawing comics before becoming a political cartoonist. He was\u00a0also instrumental in getting a settlement from DC Comics in the 1970&#8217;s\u00a0for the creators of Superman, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster. Part of his\u00a0story and this interview surrounds his role as it is described in the\u00a0recent critically acclaimed book Men of Tomorrow by Gerard Jones.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0What Year were you born?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> 1922.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a01922.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> A long time ago. Before you were ever even thought of (laughter).<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0My Dad was born in 1940.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Oh boy, my you&#8217;re a youngster.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>[Note: I&#8217;m 30 years old, but Jerry\u00a0Robinson has full rights to call me a youngster.]<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0What did you do prior to assisting Bob Kane on Batman?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Well, nothing professionally. I started right in on Batman. I came\u00a0to New York at 17 and was going to college. I started with Bob in that\u00a0same year in 1939. I just did it to earn my way through college. Little\u00a0did I know I&#8217;d still be talking about it 60 some years later (laughter).<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Did you say you met Bob through college?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> No, no. I met Bob through a strange circumstance. I had sold ice\u00a0cream after I had graduated high school, in the summer before going to\u00a0college, to earn enough for the first year, or semester. I was very\u00a0light, only 98 pounds. On the track team as a matter of fact, very\u00a0slight, almost as slight as yourself. So peddling Ice Cream on the\u00a0bicycle all summer on the cart I dropped to probably no more than 78\u00a0pounds. Then my mother insisted I take $25 dollars, that&#8217;s all it took,\u00a0to go up to the mountains to the resort and she said, &#8220;fatten up.&#8221; She\u00a0was afraid I wouldn&#8217;t survive the first semester in college (laughter).<\/p>\n<p>Just by sheer chance, I went out to a tennis court one day and I was\u00a0wearing a white painters jacket and at the time you decorated them. So I\u00a0had cartoons all over mine. I had drawn for my high school paper but\u00a0that was my only involvement in cartooning. So I was wearing that\u00a0painters jacket as a tennis jacket and I was trying to find a partner at\u00a0the tennis court. Tennis was a family sport, my brothers were champion\u00a0players. So I was standing there looking for a partner and felt a tap on\u00a0my shoulder and heard &#8220;Who did those drawings?&#8221; I thought I was going to\u00a0be arrested or something (laughter).<\/p>\n<p>I turned around and said &#8220;I did.&#8221; &#8220;Well, those are pretty good. I just\u00a0started a new feature called Batman and the 1st issue is on the stands.\u00a0If you come with me I&#8217;ll show you.&#8221; We went down to the village and\u00a0bought a copy. I was 17, he was about 24. He said, &#8220;If you come to New\u00a0York, you&#8217;ve got a job. I need somebody to help me on Batman.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I was going to go to Syracuse College, but I had also luckily applied to\u00a0Columbia. I quickly called Columbia to see if my application was still\u00a0good, which it was, then I called Syracuse and told them I was not\u00a0coming. I called my parents and told them I&#8217;m not coming home, I&#8217;m going\u00a0right to New York as I had a job. I went to Columbia and began\u00a0moonlighting on Batman.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0 So it was Bob Kane you met at the resort?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Yes, he was the one that tapped my on the shoulder. Then I met\u00a0Bill Finger.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes, I was about to ask about him as well. What was he like and how\u00a0did you meet him?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Well, I met him through Bob as he wrote the scripts. He and Bob\u00a0really co-created Batman.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Unfortunately, only Bob&#8217;s name is on it. I started an award for\u00a0Finger, similar to the Shuster Awards here that will be given at San\u00a0Diego this year. It&#8217;s The Bill Finger Award and this will be the first\u00a0year.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Excellent.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Bill never got credit. He died broke. It&#8217;s a tragedy.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Yeah, that&#8217;s what I heard. Do you have any photos of him by any chance?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> I don&#8217;t, we didn&#8217;t take pictures at the time. There are some that\u00a0exist and have been published.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0I&#8217;ve seen one, but that&#8217;s it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> I&#8217;ve only seen two or three at the most, different shots. One he&#8217;s\u00a0playing Golf, one is a head shot.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Yeah, I&#8217;ve seen one where it looks like he has a painters cap on and\u00a0he&#8217;s looking sideways.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Yeah. He was a great guy and was really a mentor of mine. He was\u00a024 or 25 when I was 17. I was coming from a little town to New York for\u00a0the first time in my life. I was going to University and going to my\u00a0room at night and drawing all night. He took me around New York, showed\u00a0me museums, foreign films, plays. He was very well read and a well\u00a0rounded guy. He was my first cultural mentor.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0What was Bob Kane like?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Well Bob was.. he had a great flair in his drawings. He was a\u00a0comic artist before starting Batman, so it was a very difficult\u00a0transition for him to go through, from comic art to doing more realism.\u00a0So he struggled with the art. I think it&#8217;s easier to go the other way\u00a0around. I started out doing illustration and later I did a humor strip\u00a0that went for 17 years through syndication. That was an easy transition,\u00a0being able to draw realistically to drawing humor. Not so easy the other\u00a0way around.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0How long did you work on Batman?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> I think from 1939 to 1947.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Wow. Why did you stop?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Well, I wanted to do something more. Something under my own name.\u00a0I wanted to do more creative writing and do different things. I never\u00a0liked to continue to do something for too long. I like new challenges. I\u00a0went on to do a lot of different comic strips. I partnered with Mort\u00a0Meskin, we did strips for DC and other publishers. We did Johnny Quick,\u00a0Vigilante, The Black Terror, Fighting Yank. Then I worked with Stan Lee\u00a0for 10 years. I did a lot of stuff during the 50&#8217;s, crime, science\u00a0fiction, war, which I enjoyed as each book was a different challenge.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Yeah, they published everything.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Yes. I really wanted to be a political cartoonist, so around 1961\u00a0I quit to do political cartoons. I did them for 33 years and I wrote and\u00a0drew my own feature. That was 6 days a week and it was syndicated\u00a0throughout the US and abroad. In between I was a book illustrator, did\u00a0books and advertising. I curated a lot of shows (at museums). I traveled\u00a0around the world, went to about 43 different countries. Did a lot of\u00a0exhibitions and was a part of international juries. So it&#8217;s been a very\u00a0interesting and satisfying career.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0I imagine so. I know for part of that career you went to the National\u00a0Cartoonists Society. I understand you became the President at one point?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Yes I served as President of the National Cartoonists Society and\u00a0later on became an editorial cartoonist and served as President of the\u00a0Association of American Editorial Cartoonists. A lot of Canadians belong\u00a0to that.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes, we have a strong group of political cartoonists.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Very strong, yes. I have an International Newspaper Syndicate\u00a0(called Cartoonists &amp; Writers Syndicate) that started in 1979 and we\u00a0represent the leading cartoonists in some 75 countries now. Including\u00a0many Canadians I just visited, like Brian Gable, Bado (Guy Badeaux), all\u00a0top, top cartoonists, world class. Dave Anderson of the National Post,\u00a0Patrick Corrigan of the Star, Andy Donato of the Sun, all great\u00a0cartoonists and others too. Roy Peterson in Vancouver, Dale Cummings\u00a0from Winnipeg. For a country of this population it has an extraordinary\u00a0number of great cartoonists. I&#8217;m very, very pleased to have them in my\u00a0syndicate.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Now the National Cartoonists Society, what is that, is it a bargaining\u00a0agent or a social society?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> No. We did have committees and took up professional issues, but it\u00a0wasn&#8217;t an union. It was a professional society for professionals, we\u00a0discussed professional problems. We exchanged ideas and met socially as\u00a0well.\u00a0It was started during world war one, when a number of cartoonists\u00a0started going around entertaining at hospitals for wounded soldiers.\u00a0They one of them said &#8220;Gee, we ought to form a more organized group.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>There was about 6 or 8 of them to begin with and it grew to 3500 today.\u00a0There was Milton Caniff and Rube Goldberg and other popular people,\u00a0mostly strip cartoonists it started with, then other genres joined then,\u00a0later editorial cartoonists as well. The editorial cartoonists had their\u00a0own problems and later on they formed their own organization, The\u00a0Association of American Editorial Cartoonists. A lot of them belong to\u00a0both. The NCS is like the parent organization. The Magazine association\u00a0which I mentioned earlier also formed their own group to discuss their\u00a0own problems. But NCS is still like a parent and it&#8217;s still running.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Did you ever do any comic strips?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> I did one that went for several years. Called Jet Scott, it was a\u00a0science adventure. I also helped friends on various ones; none that were\u00a0my creations.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Ghosted?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Yes, just for periods of time when they needed me. On Jet Scott I\u00a0did daily and Sundays.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0I was wondering if you read the book Men of Tomorrow by Gerard Jones?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Oh, sure have!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Your name appears in there quite a bit towards the end.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Gerard interviewed me quite a bit for the book. It was a\u00a0remarkable book. He did great deal of research.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Oh yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> There were things there that I didn&#8217;t know myself (laughter). I\u00a0would recommend the book. Also Kavalier and Clay.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Yeah, it&#8217;s fictionalized &#8212;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Yes fictionalized &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0But a lot of it rings true.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> I met Michael Chabon in San Diego last year. I had the honor of\u00a0getting elected to the Hall of Fame at the Eisner Awards. Along with\u00a0Jules Feiffer and Al Capp.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes I know of them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Michael had gave the keynote address, he&#8217;s a very charming man and\u00a0really bright.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0How familiar are you with Siegel&#8217;s and Shuster&#8217;s past, I have some\u00a0questions but I don&#8217;t know if you would know about them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> I know some of it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Okay, there is a story about either Siegel or Shuster was a mailman\u00a0and they had to deliver something to DC&#8217;s offices and that demoralized\u00a0the staff at DC and somebody gave them a tip or and told them not to\u00a0come back?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> No that is a mix of two different stories. Siegel did become a\u00a0mailman, he had a writers block from the trauma of losing Superman. He\u00a0would walk by a newsstand and see Superman all over the place, there, in\u00a0movies, etc.. and he would literally get sick to his stomach. He\u00a0couldn&#8217;t write anymore but he had to support his wife and child. There\u00a0was a government agency he worked at, sorting mail, he wasn&#8217;t a mailman\u00a0on the street. It was a very simple, non creative job. It&#8217;s what he had\u00a0been reduced to.<\/p>\n<p>And Joe, he was certifiably blind, he had bad eyesight even when I first\u00a0knew him. So he couldn&#8217;t draw. He was supported by his brother but he\u00a0got a job as a messenger. He delivered packages like mail and one time,\u00a0he did by chance have to deliver something to DC Comics . . . Joe told\u00a0me that story himself.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Okay, so it was Joe then. That&#8217;s something I wanted to clear up as I\u00a0heard two different stories about that.\u00a0In the 50&#8217;s Siegel went back to work for DC and in the 60&#8217;s he\u00a0stopped. I heard he tried to copyright Superpersons or something like\u00a0that. Do you know anything about that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Well I know it was a long drawn out legal battle over the years.\u00a0He (Siegel) had really created a Frankenstein (DC) and they could afford\u00a0to hire the top lawyers and draw out the negotiations for years and he\u00a0couldn&#8217;t afford to do it. From time to time they sued them and it just\u00a0dragged on with more lawyers. It was a sad time for them.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Do you know exactly why he left DC in the 60s?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> In the 60&#8217;s, no I don&#8217;t know.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> I know originally they were cut off once they had started the\u00a0suit. They were fired and they had no income. I know they had a\u00a0rapprochement for a period of time but it was nothing substantial.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0And there was another court battle in the 70s. It either went to a\u00a0district court or to the Supreme Court&#8230;?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Well, it went through a number of courts but not to the Supreme\u00a0Court. It never got to that level. It was always lost in lower courts.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:\u00a0<\/strong>Okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> I think if they brought suit under the proper clause, which is\u00a0very involved technically, but conceivably they might have won in the\u00a0Supreme Court. But they didn&#8217;t have the wares at the time. Jerry had\u00a0already had a heart attack. In fact, the night before we had settled it\u00a0Jerry had ordered me to settle it. I couldn&#8217;t tell the other side\u00a0because then we&#8217;d lose our leverage, but he was afraid he wouldn&#8217;t\u00a0survive the negotiations. He wanted to leave his wife and child with\u00a0some security.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Okay do you know what state it the case was filed in . . . was it New\u00a0York?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Yes, they were all filed in New York State. I can&#8217;t tell you\u00a0what level it stopped at, but they never won, either because of\u00a0technicalities or it wasn&#8217;t written up properly or they didn&#8217;t have good\u00a0representation. The initial error was at the very beginning when they\u00a0sold it but it wasn&#8217;t filed properly, the details would be too long, but\u00a0they might have won on other grounds. But it never went to the Supreme\u00a0Court. I don&#8217;t think a jury ever got to hear it. So it was drawn out,\u00a0you are talking about billions of dollars when it comes to Superman.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:\u00a0<\/strong>During the court case, I believe Carmine Infantino was the publisher\u00a0of DC Comics at the time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Where was he in all this?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> As far as I know he was never involved. We never dealt with him.\u00a0They were owned by Time Warner and we negotiated with Time Warner, their\u00a0vice president and their lawyers.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0In the 70s, Jerry wrote out a 10 page letter and apparently sent it\u00a0out to everybody and it helped get the media on his side initially.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> He did do that, but he didn&#8217;t get much headway. The media\u00a0discarded him. It was only after he got on the Tom Snyder show and that\u00a0was national, and got some of us professionals involved to help him with\u00a0it did it start to go somewhere. That gave us the leverage we needed to\u00a0negotiate with Time Warner. Also the movie was coming out at that time\u00a0and that gave us leverage as well.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0About that letter, do you know if Jerry wrote that during the court\u00a0case or after it? Men of Tomorrow is a bit murky with that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Well, it was probably written in between court cases. Siegel was\u00a0frustrated as there was no settlement and he didn&#8217;t get anything. It was\u00a0out of desperation he wrote that. He tried a lot of things. As you can\u00a0imagine he was very frustrated and depressed. I mean Superman is one of\u00a0the greatest properties in the 20th Century. He was stripped of\u00a0everything and couldn&#8217;t make money for his family. And they (Siegel and\u00a0Shuster) were both terrific people. I knew them both well. I even double\u00a0dated with Shuster (laughter).<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0There are two stories about Jerry Siegel appearing on TV, and I don&#8217;t\u00a0know which one is true. There is one, it wasn&#8217;t mentioned this way in\u00a0Men of Tomorrow, where he was in a talk show audience and he stood up\u00a0and told everybody that he was the creator of Superman and he had to\u00a0make a living bagging groceries. Apparently you saw this, was that on\u00a0the Tom Snyder show?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> I remembered that it was the Tom Snyder Show yes. I saw it yes,\u00a0I was working late for a deadline and I heard the name Siegel and\u00a0Superman and I looked up and that was the first time I was aware of the\u00a0their plight. I had thought they had made a settlement in the previous\u00a0years. I was very upset in hearing that and immediately called Jerry in\u00a0California and begun to work on restoring their rights. Neal Adams had\u00a0also called them and we teamed up. I got the National Cartoonist\u00a0Society, I wrote up.. what you would call a declaration of support. The\u00a0Society had brought Siegel and Shuster in and I had went over to the\u00a0Society of Magazine Cartoonists, they are an organization filled with\u00a0mostly New Yorker and humor type cartoonists and they gave me the floor.\u00a0It so happened it was all on the same day so I raced over, addressed\u00a0them on their plight and they passed the same resolution unanimously. I\u00a0went to other organizations, the screen writers and called all the names\u00a0I knew like celebrities like Jules Feiffer and others there was this one\u00a0science fiction writer . . .<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Harlan Ellison?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> No, I know Harlan and he would have, but I didn&#8217;t know him at\u00a0the time.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0I believe the names are in Men of Tomorrow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Maybe, I don&#8217;t think they got all of them, actually. But what\u00a0happened after the signing and we had a celebration at my apartment and\u00a0Siegel and Shuster were over and I met Eli Wallach and his wife on the\u00a0way there. Not that they did anything, when they heard about it they\u00a0asked &#8220;what can we do?&#8221; and I told them we just got done the signing and\u00a0that&#8217;s how they ended up being there. So there was Jules Feiffer and\u00a0everybody was there. We had promised to give the scoop of the signing to\u00a0Walter Cronkite for his program, he was the top newscaster. So we all\u00a0gathered in front of the TV at that time. We had broke out the bottle of\u00a0champagne waiting for him to announce it. At the very end of the show\u00a0they had a sign and an animated Superman in the background flying across\u00a0the screen and he said &#8220;At last, truth, justice and the American way has\u00a0won.&#8221; We all toasted and everybody was crying and it was a very moving\u00a0moment.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0That happened right after the settlement?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0I know you said you had everybody sign a declaration, but was there\u00a0anything legal involved or like a boycott because I understand Neal was\u00a0talking about doing boycotts. Was it anything like that or just a show\u00a0of support?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> It was a show of support, we really didn&#8217;t have to go to that\u00a0measure. What I personally did was use my persuasion on the Vice\u00a0President of Time Warner, I called the night before the settlement in\u00a0order to restore their names. Time Warner depends on talent of all\u00a0kinds, it&#8217;s a multi media company, it does movies and everything. I said\u00a0look, you are going to get a lot of bad press. Be aware of what you are\u00a0doing if we can&#8217;t come to a reasonable solution. Restore their names,\u00a0their dignity depends on it. So they finally agreed on it, but that was\u00a0the night before the settlement. They were afraid that restoring their\u00a0names would give them a claim in the future.. not that they don&#8217;t\u00a0deserve it. They got a settlement but not what they deserve, they really\u00a0should have been multi millionaires.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes . . .<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> But they had security for the rest of their lives, at the time\u00a0they were both really destitute.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> What do you think about the future of comics with graphic novels?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jerry Robinson:<\/strong> Well, the future is unknown, but I think it has a tremendous\u00a0future. The comics are in the hands of creative people and it&#8217;s a very\u00a0versatile media. The parameters keep expanding. Who would have foreseen\u00a0the work being done today with graphic novels, in different mediums at\u00a0different levels, computerized works of art? But in my analysis the\u00a0creativity and the art is surviving. The form might change though,\u00a0technology always dictates what is going to happen. It happened with\u00a0newspaper strips and comic books, it depends on a confluence of events.\u00a0I wrote about this in my book, it would take too long to go into detail,\u00a0but that&#8217;s the bottom line. It took a number of events and people at the\u00a0right time and the right place for it to happen.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Thank you very much for the interview Jerry.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Sadly, Jerry Robinson passed away late in\u00a02011. I still see him, his wife Gro and occasionally his son Jens at conventions, often right before the Will Eisner Awards.<\/p>\n<p>I also interviewed Neal Adams about his role with Jerry and Joe Shuster&#8217;s mid 1970s settlement. That I will publish later this week. I should say that writer Brad Ricca has a fantastic book called Superboys\u00a0that goes into great detail about Jerry and Joe&#8217;s fight for their rights. I highly recommend his book as it was a story that really needed to be told.<\/p>\n<p>I should note that Marc Tyler Nobleman has a picture book called Bill The Boy Wonder: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman that revealed a lot of new information of Bill Finger. Among which that bill has a granddaughter and great grandson who are now receiving royalties for Bill&#8217;s work. Today Bill Finger is recognized as co-creator of Batman. Jerry would be very, very happy with that. I&#8217;d be remiss if I didn&#8217;t also mention&#8217;s Marc&#8217;s Boys of Steel picture book that also added some new information regarding the creators of Superman.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; Almost all of my early interviews was done by e-mail. This interview was my first face to face with somebody. I really wanted to interview Jerry Robinson because he was a part of golden age comic book history. It\u00a0took place at Paradise Comics Toronto Comicon. 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