{"id":118,"date":"2016-08-17T15:33:46","date_gmt":"2016-08-17T19:33:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jamiecoville.com\/blog\/?p=118"},"modified":"2016-08-17T21:26:18","modified_gmt":"2016-08-18T01:26:18","slug":"lobo-creators-interview-dj-arneson-tony-tallarico","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jamiecoville.com\/blog\/blog\/2016\/08\/17\/lobo-creators-interview-dj-arneson-tony-tallarico\/","title":{"rendered":"Lobo Creators Interview &#8211; DJ Arneson &#038; Tony Tallarico"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-119 size-large\" src=\"http:\/\/jamiecoville.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/lobo-1q-690x1024.jpg\" alt=\"Lobo #1 Dell Comics\" width=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/jamiecoville.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/lobo-1q-690x1024.jpg 690w, https:\/\/jamiecoville.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/lobo-1q-202x300.jpg 202w, https:\/\/jamiecoville.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/lobo-1q-768x1139.jpg 768w, https:\/\/jamiecoville.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/lobo-1q.jpg 1380w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 690px) 100vw, 690px\" \/> During\u00a0my research into comic book history I learned about Lobo, the first black comic book character with their own solo title. This was published in 1965, long before Marvel&#8217;s Black Panther. There was little to no information about Lobo&#8217;s creators. It was known that Tony Tallarico drew the comic book.<\/p>\n<p>I had read online that Tony was to receive a Pioneer Award at the 2006\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/ecbacc.com\/wordpress3\/\" target=\"_blank\">ECBACC Convention<\/a>. I reached out to William Foster III regarding contacting Tony for an interview. He was only able to provide me with a mailing address, advising me Tony wasn&#8217;t able to appear at the convention and he had read an acceptance speech on his behalf. From the mailing address I was able to find his\u00a0phone number.<\/p>\n<p>I called on a Sunday and got voice mail. I left a message introducing myself, my desire to interview Tony and saying I would call back next Sunday. When\u00a0I called back next Sunday Tony was there and was happy to do the interview. We spoke and I transcribed the interview. The interview call and it&#8217;s transcription is reprinted below. It was originally published in August 2006.<\/p>\n<p>I figured that would be the end of it until March of 2010. My editor got an email from an upset DJ Arneson, who was the writer and editor of the Lobo comics and insisted he was also the creator of the character. He gave specific details on what inspired the character and felt Tony&#8217;s version of how the character was created were wrong. DJ\u00a0also disputed many of Tony&#8217;s statements regarding Lobo&#8217;s cancellation too. My editor suggested I do an interview with him to get his side of the story, which I did. I e-mailed DJ, proposed an interview and he agreed, giving me his number. We did the interview and that was published in April of 2010.<\/p>\n<p>With both interviews we talked more than just about Lobo. Tony a long career in comics and we discussed some of the editors he worked with and his work appearing in the notorious Seduction of the Innocent. We also talked about his work on The Great Society and Bobman &amp;\u00a0Teddy two political parody comic books that got mainstream media attention at the time. DJ Arneson was the last editor of Dell Comics, which was once the largest, most successful comic book company in North America. Besides Lobo, we talked about Helen Meyer, who was the President of Dell Comics and likely one of a very few female company Presidents in the United States at that time. We also discussed other creators at Dell, how licensing worked for comics and his work outside of Dell including his writing for Tower Comics &amp;\u00a0Archie.<\/p>\n<p>Below is Tony Tallarico&#8217;s interview, then please make sure to read DJ Arneson&#8217;s as well.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>Tony Tallarico worked in the comic industry from the 1950s to the 1970s.\u00a0His work ended up in Seduction of the Innocent, he created the first\u00a0solo character book devoted to a black hero, and he&#8217;s done a number of\u00a0what Scott Shaw! calls Oddball Comics. In this phone interview we go\u00a0through his comics career and what he&#8217;s been doing since.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>You can either hear the interview here:<\/p>\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-118-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/www.TheComicBooks.com\/Audio\/07-02-2006-TonyTallaricoInterview.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/www.TheComicBooks.com\/Audio\/07-02-2006-TonyTallaricoInterview.mp3\">http:\/\/www.TheComicBooks.com\/Audio\/07-02-2006-TonyTallaricoInterview.mp3<\/a><\/audio>\n<p>(30 minutes long, 28 megs &#8211; turn your volume up)<\/p>\n<p>Or read the following transcript.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> What was your first work?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Oh!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Do you remember that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yeah, Of course (laughter). I did some things for Charlton when Al\u00a0Fago was the editor. They were for Hot Rod and Racing Cars. I did a\u00a0bunch of cartoon cars, very similar to the Disney movie Cars. Only they\u00a0were done a long time ago.\u00a0Before that I was an assistant to a cartoonist. His name was Frank\u00a0Carin who was an animator.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Did you do any animated movies at all?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> No, and he wasn&#8217;t doing any animation either. When I knew him he\u00a0was doing comic books. He was packaging these small sized comic books\u00a0for Acme Supermarkets. There were 4 titles, I remember them distinctly.\u00a0One was Doh-Doh the Clown. Another one was Captain Atom that Lou\u00a0Ravielli did. His brother was a famous sports illustrator. Dave Gantz\u00a0did and it was a teenage character. The 4th one was the first comic book\u00a0and the first work really that Jack Davis did was called Lucky Stars. He\u00a0had just come up from the south. I don&#8217;t know how he met Frank Carin but\u00a0that was the very first comic book he did. Before he even worked for EC.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Oh wow, I didn&#8217;t know that. You said Captain Atom. Was he like a\u00a0superhero?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Any similar relationship to the Captain Atom from Charlton that\u00a0came later on?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> No. This was way before. It was probably.. I&#8217;m going to take a\u00a0guess.. I was still going to high school.. probably 1950.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> You were working for Charlton. What was the company like then?\u00a0How did it operate?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Al Fago had an office on 42nd street and Broadway, right on Times\u00a0Square. The building was just torn down a couple of years ago. It was\u00a0very impersonal, you just go up, show him what you had. If he had a\u00a0script for you you&#8217;d take it back. Otherwise you&#8217;d play the game of\u00a0calling him up asking for work.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I know later on Charlton was known for paying very low page rates\u00a0and it was piecemeal. Was it like this?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> No it was a little better at this time. I mean, they weren&#8217;t\u00a0paying anything great, but I think they were paying about $25 dollars a\u00a0page.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> That was around 1950s?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> That was around 1950. Early 50s, 51 tops.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I&#8217;m curious, I know L. B. Cole worked on some of the covers of\u00a0the books that you did. Do you know him well?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Well, I knew him. I don&#8217;t know if he&#8217;s still around.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I&#8217;m not sure either.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> He was also the editor of Classic Comics for a while. He was also\u00a0the editor of Dell when Dell pulled away from Western Publishing to\u00a0start up their own comic book operation. He was the editor.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> What was he like?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> (sigh)&#8230; he treated me very nice.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> He treated you very nice.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> He always did. But a lot of people did not like him. And there was\u00a0always talk that he was on the take. I can only say that he was always\u00a0the one that took me to lunch. I never paid for a lunch. I never gave\u00a0him a nickel and I never even heard of it. Lately I have heard stories\u00a0like that. I can&#8217;t believe it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Moving up a little bit at Charlton you were working on Blue\u00a0Beetle. And I know some of your work ended up in that notorious book\u00a0Seduction of the Innocent.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yes it did (laughter). I was working for a Sol Cohen. He was the\u00a0editor of Avon Comics. This must have been 1953-1954.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> That would be about right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> At that point they were taking paperback covers that they had,\u00a0they had the separations all done and transporting them into comic book\u00a0covers. And the one that I worked on was&#8230; it was one of these whip and\u00a0black stocking covers that they had. I edited down, cut it down so there\u00a0was very little showing. But that&#8217;s one of the ones that made it into\u00a0the book.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> (laughter) The one you toned down is the one that made it in the\u00a0book.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Right. Had I never toned it down it would have been on the cover!\u00a0(laughter)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> That&#8217;s funny.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> They were notoriously cheap, Avon. And so was Sol Cohen. But they\u00a0paid well and they had good people working for them. Woody was working\u00a0for them at that time. Everett [Raymond] Kinstler was quite a number of\u00a0good guys doing work there. A. C. Hollingsworth worked. Oh I know, Rex\u00a0Maxon.. [also Wally Wood and Joe Orlando]. He did, I don&#8217;t know if it\u00a0was his first comic strip but he did Daily Tarzan. He was really more\u00a0like a pulp illustrator. He had that rough.. it did not translate well\u00a0in comics. For some reason he was very friendly with Sol Cohen so he got\u00a0lots of work. He did Kit Carson, that was the book that he did.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I know you did a lot of work with Bill Fraccio? (wrong\u00a0pronunciation)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Fraccio. (correct pronunciation)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> How did you meet him?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> I met him at Frank Carin, Bill was doing some work for Frank. He\u00a0was doing a thing called Sunny Sunshine. It was a little girl character\u00a0for Sunshine Bakeries that they gave away every few months. Frank was\u00a0the packager of the book and Bill worked for him. That&#8217;s how we met. We\u00a0did a lot of things together.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yeah there is a lot of mix up if he was inking you or if he was\u00a0penciling.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> It&#8217;s not a mix up because we were doing both. I would pencil some,\u00a0he would ink some, visa versa y&#8217;know one of those things. I was really\u00a0the guy that went out and got the work. Bill never liked to do that. It\u00a0would depend. If he was working on something else I would start a\u00a0project too and do pencils. It was a fun time.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I want to move over to your Dell work. You did an important comic\u00a0book called Lobo.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yes. Two and a half issues.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Two and a half? What happened to the other half? I know two\u00a0issues got published.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Well I have some of the pages here. They never got published.\u00a0Lobo.. well lets back up a little bit here. At this point L. B. Cole is\u00a0no longer the editor at Dell. His assistant a guy named D. J. Arneson\u00a0hey, nobody had first names, they had letters. D. J. Arneson was the\u00a0editor. He had an idea for a book and he approached me with it. I did a\u00a0sample cover which showed it to Dell. Dell turned it down, they didn&#8217;t\u00a0want anything to do with it. We went over to a book publisher and he\u00a0loved it. It was the Great Society Comic Book. It was the first Adult\u00a0Political Satire. Nothing had been done for a while since Kennedy was\u00a0assassinated. This was the first humorous look at politics some two\u00a0years later. We did it and gee, it got on the New York Times best seller\u00a0lists. It was featured in Newsweek magazine. It was in a hundred\u00a0newspapers as a news story, not as a book. It was on radio, television,\u00a0we sold foreign rights to it, did a real bang up job on it.<\/p>\n<p>Just about that time I had an idea for Lobo. And I approached D. J.\u00a0Arneson and he brought it in and showed it to Helen Meyer. Helen Meyer\u00a0was the editor of all of Dell. She was the first female to become the\u00a0president of a publishing company. A very important historical note,\u00a0Helen Meyer. She loved it. She really wanted to do it. Great, so we did it. We did the first issue. And in comics, you start the 2nd issue as\u00a0they&#8217;re printing the first one due to time limitations. We did the 2nd\u00a0one and it was being separated while the first one was being\u00a0distributed. All of the sudden they stopped the wagon. They stopped\u00a0production on the issue. They discovered that as they were sending out\u00a0bundles of comics out to the distributors and they were being returned\u00a0unopened. And I couldn&#8217;t figure out why? So they sniffed around, scouted\u00a0around and discovered they were opposed to Lobo. Who was the first black\u00a0western hero. That was the end of the book. It sold nothing. They\u00a0printed 200,000 that was the going print rate. They sold.. oh.. 10-15\u00a0thousand. It was tremendous because they never got on to the newsstand.\u00a0So that was the end of Lobo. It&#8217;s kind of funny because after all these\u00a0years Temple [University &#8211; School of Arts and Sciences] honored me for\u00a0doing it. It never succeeded on the stands but it did break a little\u00a0ground I hope.<\/p>\n<p>[Note: They gave Tony a Pioneer Award &#8211; Lifetime Achievement in the\u00a0Comics Industry on May 19, 2006]<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> It did because afterwards you saw black heroes everywhere. Marvel\u00a0put out Black Panther.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yeah but that was much later.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> That was much later, but Lobo was the first one.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yup, this was 1966. Marvel Comics.. they were late 70s or even\u00a0early 80s. A great deal of time has passed and by then it was an\u00a0accepted thing. It wasn&#8217;t a novelty. And it wasn&#8217;t meant to be a\u00a0novelty. Lobo was a veteran of the Civil War who was accused wrongly of\u00a0a crime who tried to.. y&#8217;know it was not goofy, it was a pretty straight\u00a0thing. But it never got off the ground. Simply because the distributors\u00a0were prejudiced bastards.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Who wrote Lobo, the first issue?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> We wrote it together D. J. Arneson and I. It was my idea and I\u00a0knew what I wanted to do and he just put it together.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Okay that was the big question we all had. We knew that you drew\u00a0it but we didn&#8217;t know who created the character and what was behind it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> I created and D. J. and I, we wrote it together. It wasn&#8217;t really\u00a0writing, it was interpreting the character, I guess we wrote it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Was he scripting it or more plotting it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> I really plotted it. He scripted it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Okay, you did the plot and he did the script?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Before you mentioned The Great Society and then you did Bobman\u00a0and Teddy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> That was the sequel to The Great Society.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I was wondering, how did those sell the newsstand?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> They sold very well. I was on Walter Cronkite on the news. He did\u00a0an interview with me. I couldn&#8217;t believe it (laughter) this is a comic\u00a0book we&#8217;re talking about here. But like I said, we had no humor for like\u00a0two years and this broke a comic relief. In fact, about two years ago I\u00a0got a letter from the Johnston Library in Austin Texas. I don&#8217;t know how\u00a0they tracked me down. They said they would like to have a copy of the\u00a0book and anything else I may have to put into their library to put into\u00a0their permanent collection. I looked around and I sent them a poster of\u00a0the book that we used and a copy of the book.<\/p>\n<p>Shortly after that I got a letter from Linda Bird Johnston asking &#8220;Do\u00a0you have an extra one for me?&#8221; (laughter) I said sure and I sent her\u00a0one, and she sent me an autographed picture of herself. Now this is\u00a0funny, I have it hanging up on my studio with a lot of other stuff.\u00a0About 6 months ago I discovered her signature faded. You can&#8217;t read it\u00a0and it looks like an unsigned photo. In the throws of next week or so I&#8217;m going to send it back to her and say &#8220;hey, did tricky dicky do this?\u00a0(laughter) and can ya re-sign it for me.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I know those books, they had covers that were made with anti-tear\u00a0paper?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yeah, it was really a very lightweight board. Instead of a varnish\u00a0on it, they had a varnish that looked like Kansas. It had a tooth to it.\u00a0It really bulked up the cover. Because a lot of these were sold in\u00a0bookstores, very few of them were sold on the newsstand.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Wow. Did you sell very much on newsstands or was it..?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> No, no, it was like maybe the American News Company. The better\u00a0newsstands, the ones in airports.. not the mom and pop stores. But we\u00a0had very little returns and we sold a heck of a lot. We sold maybe\u00a05-600,000 and this was a $1 comic book. This was an unheard of thing.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Quite a bit more than 12 cents.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Oh yeah, and it was not a kids book. It was an adult book.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Was wondering why you didn&#8217;t continue doing more of them after\u00a0Bobman and Teddy?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Well because the fad ended. It was a quick fad. We were kind of\u00a0lucky because Batman and Robin were on TV as a put on and that helped\u00a0the sales of Bobman and Teddy. The Great Society sold 500,000 and Bobman\u00a0and Teddy sold 150,000. The writing was on the wall, you&#8217;re not going to\u00a0do another one.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I know you went over to Warren and did a lot of work for them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Oh yeah, in fact Bill and I worked together. We had.. I can&#8217;t\u00a0think of it.. we made up a name..<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Oh yeah, Williamsune.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Williamsune! Tony Williamsune.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I had heard Al Williamson he just left Warren at the time and he\u00a0didn&#8217;t like the name because he thought people would confuse you with\u00a0him so you had to change the spelling of the name a little bit.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I know you drew one of the earliest Vampirella stories in the\u00a0first issue.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> That&#8217;s right. In fact I worked on the character sketches. I think\u00a0they used some of them. But I definitely did stuff on the first issue of\u00a0Vampirella. I got a Christmas card from him, I get a Christmas card from\u00a0him every year.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> From Jim Warren?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> What is he up to these days do you know?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yeah he keeps saying he&#8217;s going to come back, he&#8217;s going to do\u00a0this and do that but I don&#8217;t think he has the money to do it. At that\u00a0time he was really in with the distributor. Which most comic publishers\u00a0were. It&#8217;s a big nut to finance. By the time you get paid it&#8217;s 6-7\u00a0months. If you putting out a bi-monthly, you putting out a lot of money\u00a0for art, printing, distribution and so on. It&#8217;s a big nut. I mean, a\u00a0major publisher like Dell could do it, no problem. Even Timely or Marvel\u00a0at that time they had their own distributor. Atlas was the name of the\u00a0distributor but which was the same company.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> At Warren publishing, they everything in black and white just\u00a0about. Did you like working in black and white vs. color?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yeah it was fun and it was different. With the exception of The\u00a0Great Society, Bobman and Teddy and a couple of things I did for Classic\u00a0Comics I never got the say on the color. It was given out to the\u00a0coloring studios and whatever color they put in that was it. This was an\u00a0opportunity to do black and white, just what you wanted that was it. So\u00a0it was good.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Did you do any work for Marvel or DC in your career?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> No. It&#8217;s funny because when I graduated from high school, I went\u00a0to a high school that specialized in art. It was called the School of\u00a0Industrial Arts. A lot of people in the business went there. Al Toth,\u00a0who just passed away, Joe Giella, anyway, when I graduated I won the\u00a0Superman-DC award which was a drawing table. And it&#8217;s the one I&#8217;m still\u00a0using! That was my last touch with Superman. Our paths just never\u00a0crossed. I was always doing something else and I just never went there.\u00a0The same thing with Marvel. The closest connection to Marvel was.. oh\u00a0Cracked? or Sick?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Oh yeah one of those..<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yeah, one of those things.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Might have been Brand Ech or something like that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yeah right. That was uh.. Layton? He was the editor. I really got\u00a0out of the comic book area in the early 70s. Well the comic books left me. In the 70s the whole business went kaput. Luckily I was able to\u00a0transfer over into doing children&#8217;s books. I&#8217;ve been doing children&#8217;s\u00a0books ever since. My wife went though a count several months ago. It was\u00a0over a thousand titles. That&#8217;s a lot of children&#8217;s books. One series\u00a0that I did for Kids Books has sold like 16-17 million copies world wide.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yeah I heard about that one.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> That&#8217;s an enormous amount. And it&#8217;s still selling, they just\u00a0dressed it up a little. Put on a new cover or whatever.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Was there a particular character or genre that you liked to work\u00a0in within the comic industry? Did you prefer cowboys or horror or was it\u00a0all just work?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> It was a little of everything. I did whatever I could get a hold of it.\u00a0Most people did. I don&#8217;t know any artist that really specialized in\u00a0a particular thing. Can you think of one? Jack Davis was pinned into\u00a0doing westerns until he went to EC. Then he started doing everything.\u00a0The only think I don&#8217;t think he did was a romance story.<\/p>\n<p>I did a romance cover one time for Charlton. You have to remember\u00a0Charlton paid very low and because of that you had to do an awful amount\u00a0of work. I did a splash page where a couple is embracing and the girl\u00a0has 3 hands. I meant to whiten one of them out, but I never got to it\u00a0(laughter). And it went all the way through! (laughter) it was kind of\u00a0funny. The editor didn&#8217;t think so, but hell, it was his fault too, he\u00a0looked at it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yeah, he didn&#8217;t see it himself so..<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Well lets go back a little bit and who were your inspirations for\u00a0drawing was it like Caniff or..<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Oh sure. In my days it was Caniff, Raymond and Noel Sickles. Those\u00a0were the three. For illustrators, of course [Norman] Rockwell and Al\u00a0Parker and Austin Briggs those were it. Austin Briggs did comics, he did\u00a0Flash Gordon for a long time, Al Park was more of a designing illustrator.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Did you ever try to get into comic strips at all even as a ghost?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Oh yeah. I and my wife did a strip for 17 years. It was called\u00a0Trivia Treat. It was 3 panels on a page. One was an illustrated\u00a0question. The next two were written questions. And there was an answer\u00a0upside down. It was based on Trivia. It was based on whatever was\u00a0popular, Hopalong Cassidey, whatever. The thing lasted 17 years.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> When about did it start?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> uh&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> do you know when it ended?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> It ended in the mid 90s. By that time my wife had withdrawn from\u00a0it and my son was writing it. He also does a feature for Tribune\u00a0Syndicate. Tribune was the Syndicate for this, Trivia Treats. My son\u00a0does a thing called Word Salsa. It&#8217;s a word search puzzle that is half\u00a0in Spanish and half in English. It&#8217;s been running for about 3 years and\u00a0it&#8217;s in about 75 papers.<\/p>\n<p>I also did a thing called Zap the Video Chap. Which lasted a year, that\u00a0was for the McNaught Syndicate. And I ghosted some stuff. I did Nancy\u00a0for a while, Davey Jones which was an adventure strip. I can&#8217;t think of\u00a0any others.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Did you do any cartoons or advertising?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Oh yeah sure. I had a studio in the city, or space in the city\u00a0with an ad agency. And I did lots of stuff. Ford, sing a song issue.\u00a0Pan-Am was a very heavy user of comic books. For the GIs to take a\u00a0Pan-Am flight back to the states when they got week or 10 day leave or\u00a0whatever.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Did you do any other work for the army or was it just through\u00a0Pan-Am?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> No, it was strictly through Pan-Am.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Did you serve any time at all, in the army?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Managed to bypass all that eh?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> It was just one of those things. I was too young, then I was too old.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I guess you&#8217;re one of the lucky ones (laughter).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yeah, right exactly. I didn&#8217;t plan it that way.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I guess you&#8217;re parents did.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> I doubt it. Speaking of my parents, when I was 12-13 I told them I\u00a0wanted to be an artist and they were really happy about it. As the word\u00a0got out through the family they said they were nuts and I was wasting my\u00a0time. Well, 50 some years later I don&#8217;t think I wasted my time.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> If you made a good living out of it then you definitely didn&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico:<\/strong> Yeah and I enjoyed it, I still enjoy it and I&#8217;m still doing it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong> So what are you doing now and days?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tony Tallarico<\/strong>: Kids Books are my primary account. I do just about everything that\u00a0they &amp; I come up with. Just stepping back a bit, I also create my own\u00a0stuff, and sometimes my son writes it with me. Just about everything I\u00a0come up with, Kids Books sponsors and publishes. Right now I&#8217;m doing a\u00a0series of picture find books based on classic stories. The first one is\u00a0based on Tom Sawyer. I think we&#8217;ll be doing about 10 or 12 and after\u00a0that it will be famous people. Muhammad Ali is in there, Rosa Parks.\u00a0It&#8217;s their life stories, but with hidden pictures in it. So the kids\u00a0will be a part of the story.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>DJ Arneson was the editor of Dell Comics between 1962 and 1973, the\u00a0company stopped publishing comics after he left. He also did some\u00a0freelance writing, both for titles he was publishing at Dell and for\u00a0other publishers. Much of his comic book work is uncredited. DJ\u00a0originally got in touch with us when he read the Tony Tallarico\u00a0interview I had conducted in 2006 and disputed Tony&#8217;s version of events.\u00a0This lead to doing an interview about his career in comics done mainly\u00a0over the phone but with some questions by e-mail.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0There is very little information about you out there. When and where\u00a0were you born?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> I was born in Minnesota, small town out on the Midwestern\u00a0plains. I was born in 1935 that makes me 74 years old as of right now.\u00a0Moved to Boulder, Colorado, graduated from Boulder High School, went to\u00a0the University of Colorado, then went to the army and worked for Counter\u00a0Intelligence. I worked out of the American Consulate in Stuttgart,\u00a0Germany for a couple of years. I moved to Mexico and completed my\u00a0education, majored in Philosophy, minored in Psychology. I returned to\u00a0this country, ended up in New York and for a period of time at Dell\u00a0Publishing.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Did you have any siblings?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> I have two sisters. Both younger than myself.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0What did your parents do?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> My father was killed when I was 5 years old. My mother was self\u00a0employed and that pretty much covers that.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0What does DJ stand for?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> Don Jon. D-o-n J-o-n.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Did you have any interest in comics growing up?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson<\/strong>: Yes, as a little kid. I grew up basically during the 2nd World War.\u00a0The war was over on my birthday in 1945. I remember that period rather\u00a0well. I also remembered reading comics at the local pharmacy. They had\u00a0displays and kids would sit there and read them for free until the\u00a0proprietor would say &#8220;the library is closed.&#8221; Then we&#8217;d all scoot out\u00a0and then come back the next day. It was very common reading at the time.\u00a0I had a collection as probably every kid my age did, which would\u00a0eventually been worth kajillions, I suppose. They ended up in somebody&#8217;s\u00a0attic and ultimately I&#8217;m sure, in the trash sadly as tons and tons of\u00a0comics were.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0So, you don&#8217;t have any of your old comics anymore?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> No. As a matter of fact, tragically when I was younger, I was more\u00a0interested in the new comics than the old ones. While I was at Dell I\u00a0had a collection of everything Dell did while I was there, as well as\u00a0all of the comics from other publishers. I had a room in the basement\u00a0that was stacked with comics. My young son would bring his friends and\u00a0they would revel in comic books. We moved to Europe in 1973. I bought a\u00a0VW pop top camper and we traveled around Europe for a couple of years.\u00a0Anyway, when we sold our home in Connecticut in 1973 all of those comics\u00a0disappeared. My youngest son at the time, who was 7 lamented that. There\u00a0was a treasure trove of comic books that simply disappeared. That was\u00a0pretty much the history of any comic I collected at Dell.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0That is a shame.<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> It is. You read stuff in the New York Times, this comic is worth this\u00a0much, or somebody is looking for a copy of Superman or whatever. At one\u00a0point I had some of this stuff, but it&#8217;s all gone.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0What made you want to work in the comic book industry?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> Well, as I said I went from Mexico to Denver, Colorado and came to\u00a0New York. I answered an ad in the New York Times for an Editorial\u00a0Assistant. I was interviewed for the job that turned out to be at Dell\u00a0Publishing. I was interviewed by the editor at the time, his name was\u00a0Leonard (Len) Cole. I was also interviewed by Helen Meyer who was the\u00a0President and I was hired for the job of Assistant to the Editor. About\u00a0one month later, this was April, 1962, Len Cole was.. lets say let go,\u00a0without getting into the details there. My understanding is that he was\u00a0&#8220;let go&#8221; but what the actual circumstances were, I do not know. Helen\u00a0Meyer called me into her office and asked me if I was capable of doing\u00a0this job. I said yes I am, and she said okay, you are now my comic book\u00a0editor. So I didn&#8217;t come into comics with a long history of working in\u00a0them. I came into the publishing industry and it turned out my entry was\u00a0through Dell Comics. I was there until I moved to Europe. Prior to\u00a0moving to Europe, I had gone to Helen Meyer and told her I wanted to go\u00a0freelance and become a freelance writer. She said she couldn&#8217;t accept\u00a0that, but offered me the opportunity where I could come continue as\u00a0staff editor, come in for half a week and the balance of the week I\u00a0would be for my own work. That was a deal I could not refuse, so I did\u00a0that for 2-3 years. Ultimately I went full time freelance.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Did you do any writing for comic books?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> Yeah, I wrote comics while I was at Dell under a couple of\u00a0conditions, one was as editor &#8211; there were times when a writer would\u00a0deliver material that was frankly unacceptable. In which case I wrote\u00a0the script for the comic that was due. We were always under deadline\u00a0pressure. When the work was due to go to the artists, there wasn&#8217;t any\u00a0flex time in that. So on a few very limited occasions I re-wrote the\u00a0script, going by the original storyline that was submitted to me by the\u00a0writer, which was the practice of the time. I&#8217;ll go into a little detail\u00a0about that. When Dell chose to publish a comic, I would select a writer\u00a0and that writer would do a brief storyline out of which I would\u00a0determine if it was a good story, and then the writer would do a\u00a0synopsis for me, which I would then approve for a script for the comic\u00a0book. By the time that came in the deadline pressure had begun and it\u00a0had to go very, very quickly to the artist. On a limited number of\u00a0occasions the script was simply unacceptable I had to rewrite it. Once I\u00a0had established that I was doing freelance writing, and I cleared that\u00a0with Helen Meyer and she was very cognitive that I was writing comics\u00a0for Dell. From that I segued into going full time freelance.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Did you work for other publishers doing freelance writing?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> Sure. I did work for Charlton, Gold Key, I very briefly did stuff for\u00a0Archie. That was maybe 2 or 3 stories in 1 or 2 issues.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Do you remember what issues or series?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> Well, I did Dark Shadows the first 2 issues. I created the comic book\u00a0from the TV series. It was a popular Television series. Wally Green, who\u00a0was an editor of Gold Key had the license to do the comic book. I did\u00a0the first 2 for sure and I might have done more after that. Also I did,\u00a0when I was little they called them big little books, they were little\u00a0fat books, but I did one of those for Dark Shadows. [Note: This was Dark\u00a0Shadows Story Digest Magazine #1]. I did a bunch of stuff for Charlton.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0For Archie I assume they were just random stories?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> They were done anonymously and I&#8217;m reluctant to even mention doing\u00a0them. I recall they required storyboards that had to be sketched. At the\u00a0time I was not a credible sketcher. I only did a couple of stories and\u00a0like I said, I&#8217;m almost reluctant to even mention them. I do recall they\u00a0required storyboards and that just didn&#8217;t come naturally, I&#8217;m a better\u00a0writer.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0So you only wrote, didn&#8217;t do any artwork at all?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> No, no. I wouldn&#8217;t presume to be an artist then. Whatever I do now is\u00a0strictly amateur stuff. But no, I did not illustrate.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Did you know George Delacourt?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> Sure.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0What was he like?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> George Delacourt was the President of Dell. He was involved in an\u00a0extremely limited way. He wasn&#8217;t in his office at all. Helen Meyer ran\u00a0the company and did it very, very well. My interaction with George\u00a0Delacourt was extremely limited. Yes we met, I was in his office on 3 or\u00a04 occasions. We never did lunch or anything like that (laugh). He was\u00a0kind of an old guy at the time and left the management and running of\u00a0the company to Helen Meyer.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0My next question was about Helen Meyer, what was she like?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> She was very business driven and very personable if you were able to\u00a0reach her. Let me put it this way. She was a very proficient business\u00a0woman. When you dealt with her, it was strictly all business. But she\u00a0had a very warm side, I&#8217;d say as I dealt with her on a steady basis. We\u00a0would take a cab to go to a screening of a movie or a TV series,\u00a0projected to be opening in the following fall. We would have\u00a0conversations in the cab that were comfortable. I was 26 years old at\u00a0the time and she would say you&#8217;re more like my son than my editor. At\u00a0the time it was nice to be considered that way. My point is she was very\u00a0personable to me. But she was very difficult with some, because she was\u00a0all business. She knew what she wanted and her decisions were virtually\u00a0always good. She was the boss. So there was normal reaction of somebody,\u00a0an editor of a book or magazine, that you had to go through the boss.\u00a0And it would depend on the circumstances of the meeting. But my\u00a0recollection and memory of her is very, very warm.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Where you the only editor at Dell at the time?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> We had an art department for the production of the covers. There was\u00a0no stable of artists or staff artists. There was art director for the\u00a0comic book covers. I reported directly to Helen Meyers, that is to say\u00a0the editorial material that I requested from writers, the synopsis and\u00a0manuscripts. Ultimately the manuscripts would end up in Helen Meyers&#8217;\u00a0office. I&#8217;m not suggesting that she read all of them. If I had a\u00a0suggestion, a comic book idea or whatever, she would be the last word.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0When the comic were written at Dell, how were they done? Was it full\u00a0script or &#8220;Marvel&#8221; style?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> At Dell it was all written directly from scripts. That is the\u00a0writer&#8230; and I didn&#8217;t really have any women writers at the time. That&#8217;s\u00a0really a bad commentary isn&#8217;t it? But there just were none. They were\u00a0very similar to a screenplay. Also while I was at Dell, I read tons of\u00a0screenplays as we considered them possible comic book clients. Point is,\u00a0at Dell comics the manuscripts or storyboard, and I don&#8217;t mean art\u00a0storyboard, but screenplays with description of the art, everything\u00a0broken down in panels, the art and the dialog all created at the same\u00a0time. The level of art direction in the panels would vary. In some\u00a0instances the writer would say &#8216;backyard&#8217; or whatever, a simple\u00a0description of what was called for. In others, I would say they over\u00a0directed because that was part of the fun in my mind is coming up with\u00a0the images and writing them out. The short answer is they were not done\u00a0in the Marvel style.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0You came in just as Dell and Western Printing split. Do you know what\u00a0that was all about?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> My recollection is when I joined, Dell Comics was Dell Comics, plain\u00a0and simple. Len Cole was the editor and I do not know for how long he\u00a0had been the editor. I frankly don&#8217;t know the circumstances of what the\u00a0split was about. That was between Len Cole and Dell. I don&#8217;t know what\u00a0the break up was other than what I subsequently learned the financial\u00a0and ownership considerations. Dell broke with Western, Dell Comics\u00a0maintained the Dell Comics logo. Dell created a new line of comics and a\u00a0lot of what was published was an attempt of getting a hold of the glory\u00a0days of comic book publishing that Dell had during the late 40s and 50s.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0It was in 1962 that Four Color Comics stopped and a bunch of 1 shots\u00a0or 2 issue runs were published that would have normally been in Four\u00a0Color. Do you know anything about that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> No. I don&#8217;t know anything about that. Which one shots are you\u00a0referring to? We did do a lot of one shots. Often times with television\u00a0clients, they would run for a period of time and it would be more than a\u00a01 shot. As far as movie clients, they were 1 shots because once the\u00a0movie came out, that was the end of that.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Dell got the licenses for TV series and even some musical acts like\u00a0the Monkee&#8217;s&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> I wrote the Monkees.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Oh you did! I understand the artist was Jose Delbo?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> Jose Delbo, he was really a terrific person, a wonderful illustrator.\u00a0I don&#8217;t know anything about him now. The last I dealt with him was on a\u00a0political satire comic called First Cowboy Comix. It made fun of Ronald\u00a0Regan and Delbo illustrated it and that was the last contact I had with\u00a0him. That was in the 1980s. But yes, Jose did the illustrations for the\u00a0Monkees and I wrote it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Was there a lot of having to go back to the licensor and getting it\u00a0all approved with the Monkees?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> No, there was no approval. We had the license to do it and there was\u00a0no approval by the licensor. We did the comic and I don&#8217;t recall ever a\u00a0licensor getting back to us. It all would have been after the fact as\u00a0the book would have already been published.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Was all the licensors like that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> While I was there I don&#8217;t recall any licensed product that required\u00a0approval by the licensor.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Going back to the Monkees for a bit, I know there was a paperback of\u00a0Monkees comics put out by Public Library, were you also involved in that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> No, I don&#8217;t know anything about it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0What was John Stanley like?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> I did not know John all that well. He was an established writer long\u00a0before I met him. He had a close relationship with Helen Meyer, Dell&#8217;s\u00a0president.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0What was Don Segall like?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> Don was a reliable writer whom I counted on when a new title was\u00a0acquired to deliver a manuscript quickly.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0I know you disagree with what Tony said about the creation of Lobo.\u00a0What is your version of the events of how Lobo was created?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> Tony Tallarico illustrated Lobo. He did not create the character, I\u00a0did. He did not plot the storyline, I did. He did not write the script,\u00a0I did. And he did not approach me with the original concept or idea. The\u00a0concept, development and writing that became Lobo were mine.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s totally out of character for me to bother commenting on this kind\u00a0of off-the-wall petty issue but in this case I&#8217;m compelled to do so\u00a0because, frankly, it staggers me to believe that Tony said what this\u00a0interview indicates he said. I cannot fathom why he would do so. It is\u00a0an egregiously self-serving statement which, in addition, is personally\u00a0demeaning to me by baldly stating, among other flatly false claims that:\u00a0<em>&#8220;It was my idea and I knew what I wanted to do and he (D.J. Arneson)\u00a0just put it together.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>My responsibilities as editor included researching and developing\u00a0material for new comic books as well as hiring the writers, illustrators\u00a0and others required to produce Dell Comics. Tony was among the\u00a0illustrators I hired; I never hired or assigned or used him to write\u00a0anything.<\/p>\n<p>I developed the original premise for Lobo (originally Black Lobo, a\u00a0title Helen Meyer rejected as inappropriate at the time&#8211;this was the\u00a0mid-60s when civil rights and other social issues were volatile) from\u00a0the book The Negro Cowboys by Philip Durham and Everett L. Jones; Dodd,\u00a0Mead, 1965. The book sits in front of me on my desk.<\/p>\n<p>On reading the book in 1965, I recognized the potential for a black\u00a0comic book hero based on historical fact; the Buffalo Soldiers, the name\u00a0given to African-American Union soldiers in the American Civil War. A\u00a0number of those soldiers went west and became cowboys following the war\u00a0and I conceived Black Lobo as a dramatic characterization of this\u00a0little-known history. Again, this was 1965, a time when\u00a0African-Americans were still referred to as Negroes, for example.\u00a0Sit-ins, segregation and social upheaval were still entrenched in the\u00a0United States. Martin Luther King was still very much in the future as a\u00a0national figure and symbol of the revolution underway. The idea of a\u00a0black comic book character, much less the title character in his own\u00a0comic, was unusual to say the least. That Helen Meyer, a trail-blazer in\u00a0her own right as the only female president of a major publishing\u00a0company, and incidentally, the highest paid female executive in the\u00a0country at the time, made the decision to publish Lobo is a tribute to\u00a0her intelligence, foresight and sensitivity.<\/p>\n<p>I added other elements to the original Black Lobo character concept,\u00a0e.g.: Robin Hood, The Lone Ranger etc. as well as the familiar\u00a0adventurous spirit of the American cowboy of popular western novels and\u00a0cowboy movies of that time to dramatize and expand the character and\u00a0storyline to portray a black comic book hero; there were none at the\u00a0time. The intention was to create a series, but that didn&#8217;t happen as\u00a0comic book historians and enthusiasts now know. Bummer.<\/p>\n<p>Tony illustrated a mock-up cover, titled Black Lobo, which was presented\u00a0to Helen Meyer along with the proposal I wrote based on what I described\u00a0above. Helen Meyer agreed to publish the proposed comic book as Lobo.<\/p>\n<p>I then wrote the script and Tony Illustrated the comic book from my\u00a0script for which we were each paid Dell&#8217;s going rates for writers and\u00a0illustrators (embarrassing low, but that was a lifetime ago); that is,\u00a0the rights to the character and the comic book were not bought by Dell\u00a0but automatically became copyrighted Dell property as was the usual\u00a0procedure for commissioned work. An entirely different process is\u00a0followed for the contractual acquisition of original material. I mention\u00a0this to underscore the fact that Lobo was not offered to Dell as a\u00a0property created, owned or copyrighted by anyone outside the company.<\/p>\n<p>I have no idea on what information or source, proprietary to Dell or\u00a0other, Tony based his explanation for the discontinuation of Lobo. Sales\u00a0were the primary basis for the continuation or discontinuation of a\u00a0series title. I neither have now nor did I have at that time any\u00a0intimation or suggestion that Lobo was discontinued because anyone was\u00a0somehow conspiratorially &#8220;opposed&#8221; to it.\u00a0On the other hand, I know very well, as I&#8217;ve briefly stated above, where\u00a0Lobo began.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0I know you did a couple of political comics with Tony Tallarico, the\u00a0Great Society and Bobman and Teddy. Can you tell us how those came about?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> The first one was The Great Society comic book. Let&#8217;s me jump back a\u00a0little bit, there was 2 guys at Dell that I knew, Dick Gallon an\u00a0attorney and Peter Workman who was an editor at the time [Note: Workman\u00a0used to do sales at Dell Publishing]. They had a notion to do a\u00a0political satire. I had done one of the earlier ones with Jack Sparling,\u00a0that name may or may not resonate. Jack was an illustrator of comic\u00a0books as well as other stuff. He and I did a comic, well, it was book,\u00a0called a flip book. It was political satire and it was the first book\u00a0that I ever had published and that was in 1964. It was called Instant\u00a0Candidates 1964. We&#8217;d done that and actually Helen Meyer was upset when\u00a0she learned I had done that. As that was done at Simon and Schuster. She\u00a0was concerned that I had gone outside the company and said why didn&#8217;t\u00a0you bring it to me? My understanding at the time was that editors went\u00a0outside the company just because of the presumption of&#8230; it would somehow\u00a0de-legitimize if somebody inside the company had published the book.\u00a0That&#8217;s pretty easy to do. Anyway I had the notion of another political\u00a0satire based on a superhero. Superheroes had been revived at the time.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Especially with the Adam West, Burt Ward Batman show.<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> The sense I have now is that there was a resurgence of interest at\u00a0the fan level of comics. I got an occasional fanzine. They were\u00a0mimeographed, done by ardent, earnest, I expect young people who were\u00a0very enthusiastic about comics. It was my sense was that there was a\u00a0resurgence of interest in comics in general. They had taken umbrage at\u00a0The Seduction of the Innocent in where Wertham had challenged the\u00a0morality of comic books and that they corrupted youth. I know that\u00a0you&#8217;re familiar with that part of comic book history. Tony and I were\u00a0friends. He was a very reliable artist. I could call Tony with a book\u00a0that was under pressure and he would be able to produce that quickly,\u00a0which was essential at the time. When it was due, we only had a\u00a0prescribed period of time and Tony was always good about being able to\u00a0produce something quickly. He was also willing to do stuff on spec. That\u00a0is he would do a cover for a comic book idea or other things. When you\u00a0are freelance your time is your livelihood and you measure it carefully.\u00a0Tony did a cover concept for The Great Society comic and I took that to\u00a0Dick Gallon. He and Peter Workman were in the process of developing a publishing company called Parallax publishing. It later became Workman\u00a0publishing an enormously successful publishing company. They published\u00a0the Great Society comic book and subsequently the follow up Bobman and\u00a0Teddy.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Around 1966-7 Dell began publishing some original superhero comics as\u00a0well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> (Laughs) Are you referring to Werewolf, Dracula and Frankenstein? I\u00a0wrote them.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0You weren&#8217;t publishing under the code so you were able to get away\u00a0with that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> Yeah (laugh). Dell attempted to do some superheroes. You know, it was\u00a0an attempt. It will be judged by comic book readers and comic book\u00a0historians. I understand they have been pretty well panned. I&#8217;ll take\u00a0credit or the blame for the writing. Tony illustrated them.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Around 1967 there were a bunch of reprints going on, yet new material\u00a0was being published. How did you decide what to reprint and what new\u00a0stuff to publish?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> I don&#8217;t know what you are referring to?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Some series like Alvin and Combat, the latter issues were reprints of\u00a0earlier issues.<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> I don&#8217;t know anything about that. You mentioned Combat. I thought\u00a0that was a great series. I&#8217;m just reflecting here. Sam Glanzman\u00a0illustrated Combat. He was really into it, but I&#8217;m digressing.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0So Dell Comic shut down around 72-73?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> To the best of my knowledge, there was no in-house editor after I\u00a0left. As I described a little while ago, when I gone to Helen Meyer and\u00a0put in my resignation and said I was going to be leaving. She offered me\u00a0this opportunity to remain on staff as editor of Dell comics but come in\u00a03 days a week, and the balance of the week was for me to develop a\u00a0freelance writing career. For a young, hope to be, freelance writer you\u00a0couldn&#8217;t have a more wonderful opportunity. I did that for the remainder\u00a0of the year, which I promised her I would do that. After the year was\u00a0up, I went back and wanted to go full time but she kept me on under the\u00a0same circumstances. Then it comes down to a specific year, I know I\u00a0bought a house in Connecticut in &#8217;68 and during that time I was still\u00a0going in. The final termination as DJ Arneson as Editor, freelance\u00a0editor, as I was freelancing for Dell was in 1973.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Did you do any writing for comic book publishers after that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson<\/strong>: No, well, wait a minute. I wrote for Charlton. A comic book for\u00a0Charlton. I wrote for an Undersea guy for.. Tower Comics?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Tower comics? Yes. They were in publishing from 65 to 69.<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> Okay yes. I remember they wanted me to do an Undersea guy [Agent]. I\u00a0did the first issue and I remember I was about to take my family on a\u00a0long trip to Hamburg or somewhere. I remember I went home and wrote it\u00a0that evening. That went fast, sometimes it does. I remember there were a\u00a0lot of undersea stuff, tunnels and rafts and something like that. I\u00a0remember writing it, but I don&#8217;t think I ever saw it. A lot of stuff I\u00a0never saw. You know, you write the manuscript, you send it in and that&#8217;s\u00a0the end of that.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0I did see your name attached to a Doctor Graves Magic book when I\u00a0searched online.<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> I know I did some Romance comics for Charlton. Doctor Graves, that\u00a0rings a bell but I think that was a, there were comics but it was also..<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0An Activity book?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> Puzzles and maybe a magic book. There might have been magic tricks in\u00a0it or something. A lot of this stuff I don&#8217;t even have copies of, I wish\u00a0I did.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0I noticed certain titles continued on being published at Charlton\u00a0after they stopped at Dell, like Ponytail. Do you know anything about that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> No. Now Ponytail was written and drawn by the creator Lee [Holley],\u00a0he was a very nice guy when I met him on a couple of occasions when he\u00a0came to New York. That had originally been a comic strip and Dell did\u00a0the comic book, I was the editor and he essentially produced the whole\u00a0thing and sent it to me at Dell Publishing. That was the only comic book\u00a0that was done outside of the structure that was in place, with synopsis,\u00a0storyline, storyboards, pencils, inks, colorists, letterers, and so on.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0When it came to licensing, was it somebody coming to you saying &#8216;okay\u00a0we have to do a comic about this property now?&#8217;<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> No. As far as the movie studios, they would send the screenplays to\u00a0me at Dell when there would be movies coming out. And Dell didn&#8217;t take\u00a0that many movies at the time. They were sent to us based on the\u00a0incredible popularity of Dell as a comic book publisher. From the point\u00a0of view of a movie production company, a Dell comic client was a bonus.\u00a0It got the word out about the movie. We would get screenplays by the\u00a0bundle, well one at a time, but they&#8217;d get stacked up on my desk and we\u00a0had tons of them. We would also get them for television shows that were\u00a0forthcoming. The decision were often on the screening in the spring for\u00a0a series that would be released in the fall. I would go with Helen Meyer\u00a0or in some instances by myself and watch the screening of the Beverly\u00a0Hillbillies for example. So that was the process, screenplays would come\u00a0to my desk and I would read them. In most cases they wouldn&#8217;t make very\u00a0good comic books and in some cases it would make sense. I would send\u00a0them to Helen Meyer and say I believe this would make a good comic book.\u00a0If she agreed, we would get the license from Warner Brothers of whomever\u00a0and produce the comic book. It would be based on the screenplay, that is\u00a0we didn&#8217;t create new characters. It would be a comic book of the movie.\u00a0With a TV series, to use Beverly Hillbillies as an example, we would\u00a0follow the series in the sense of the characters and the circumstances.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0Do you know who the distributor of Dell comic were?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> My recollection was that Western was still distributing. They were\u00a0printing, I went to the plant at one point. There was still a connection\u00a0there with Western. But those details I didn&#8217;t really have a lot to do\u00a0with. I was more into producing the comics and once the artwork was out\u00a0of my hands, that is went to the printer, along with the color specs,\u00a0that was the last I saw of it. I&#8217;m digressing again, but there were tons\u00a0of storyboards and once they went to the printer and they were done with\u00a0it, my guess is it was shredded. All of that original art. Some of it\u00a0terrific and some of it kinda sucked, depending on one&#8217;s notion of what\u00a0is good art, but all of the original comic book storyboards disappeared.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0That&#8217;s too bad.<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> I think so.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0After you stopped working at Dell I see you did a number of adapted\u00a0story books for children?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> I did some original stuff, I did some adaptations.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\u00a0One of them I seen was a Computer Haters Handbook?<\/p>\n<p><strong>DJ Arneson:<\/strong> Yes (laughs), also The Original Preppy Joke book and The Original\u00a0Preppy Cook book. Those were published by Dell. I was no longer directly\u00a0connected to Dell, other than I had a lot of friends down there. 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